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techblueberry•about 2 hours ago
I’m not even sure I disagree with the argument, but this feels like a classical “DEI” argument FIRE would be skeptical of because it’s politically convenient.

What if there’s just something about academics (and I do actually think this is true) that is not attractive to conservative professionals. The prestige of academics has been falling. Salaries aren’t equivalent to the private sector.

So why are we looking at equality of outcomes and assuming there’s a problem with equality of opportunity?

Also and of course like this may be the most relevant point, the political realignment of the past 15 years has been around educational attainment! How can you design a Republican Party that specifically realigns around education level and not expect that to show up in academics.

Why is it inherently bad that university faculty lean left?

delichon•about 1 hour ago
> Why is it inherently bad that university faculty lean left?

For one thing it loses the support of the other half of the country to fund and support higher education. People tend not to donate to or vote for institutions that they see as in opposition to their values. And they tend to discount the value of their degrees when hiring.

techblueberry•8 minutes ago
Sure, but you can argue the same thing about anything where there isn’t equality of outcomes.
verdverm•about 1 hour ago
Have we considered the reason might be self (de)selection? Perhaps people who see the world certain ways do (not) desire a life in academics.
like_any_other•about 1 hour ago
> What if there’s just something about academics (and I do actually think this is true) that is not attractive to conservative professionals.

Academia used to be much more politically balanced: https://www.independent.org/tir/2022-23-winter/the-hyperpoli...

It would be very illuminating to compare academics' political leanings in other countries as well, but I am not aware of any such studies.

Now it is basically officially banned to hire conservatives: Diversity Statements Required for One-Fifth of Academic Jobs - https://www.schoolinfosystem.org/2021/11/11/study-diversity-...

Even if hired, bias persists: The authors also submitted different test studies to different peer-review boards. The methodology was identical, and the variable was that the purported findings either went for, or against, the liberal worldview (for example, one found evidence of discrimination against minority groups, and another found evidence of "reverse discrimination" against straight white males). Despite equal methodological strengths, the studies that went against the liberal worldview were criticized and rejected, and those that went with it were not. - https://theweek.com/articles/441474/how-academias-liberal-bi...

When polled, 4 in 10 academics admit to discriminating against conservatives: https://www.cspicenter.com/p/academic-freedom-in-crisis-puni...

> So why are we [..] assuming there’s a problem with equality of opportunity?

To answer your question: we're not assuming anything - they have official policies to that effect, they openly say so when polled, and it has been measured in studies.

techblueberry•3 minutes ago
I honestly don’t think you can prove directionality here.

I 100% believe the country has gone too far in discounting traditional/conservative values. (On both the left and right, but I digress) And I think this divide is unhealthy for the future of the country.

I think it would be healthier for the country if there was a greater balance in education. But I don’t think you can prove that the right in this country hasn’t itself opted out. You hear it in thought leaders at the top and bottom of the economic spectrum. More trade schools, less college. And all the like tech thought leaders valuing experience over education.

beardyw•24 minutes ago
Did the author consider if communists are fairly represented?
like_any_other•about 2 hours ago