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asdff•about 2 hours ago
Article is pretty weak honestly. Claims these products are heavily marketed but I just don't see any advertising for them at all really. Where do these things even get advertised?

Facts are people like a nicotine buzz. It goes well with work and the lack of spit or any smell means it is compatible with basically every job, whereas with a vape you'd have to find a moment to inconspicuously hit it and zero the hit if you can't blow it out openly. You can bring a pack of this stuff anywhere you can't smoke or vape normally. It goes well with drinking. It goes well with smoking weed. The biggest advertisement is probably someone next to you throwing back a pouch and asking if you want one. The second biggest advertisement is the pouch you see spat out in the urinal. They really don't have to do much. It sells itself on its own merits. People have been fond of stimulants for thousands of years now. That isn't going to change anytime soon.

cma•about 1 hour ago
Lots of podcasts advertise them, I think Tucker Carlson, one of the biggest podcasts in the world, has his own brand or promotion deal. I don't know if he is popular with young adults or still has his fox news demographic.

It's much easier to control dose and taper off than cigarettes. Doesn't seem that much worse than something like coffee. I think it has some heart risks, but gets rid of the cancer risk of cigarettes and dipping.

asdff•about 1 hour ago
Podcasters are willing to chirp for whatever pr department will pay them a couple grand for a segment. Doesn't mean that chirping is effective really.

I bet tucker carlson's support has converted exactly zero users towards these products. I still think they are sold basically on their own merits and from the fact they are in every gas station and convenience store on the planet at this point, and people really want to use nicotine because again, stimulants have a lot of merits and utility for people.

thin_carapace•about 1 hour ago
coming from a big supporter of smoking, downplaying the addictive nature of nicotine is insidious of you; most people have no idea what sort of a demon it can become. its also insidious of you to state that pouches 'get rid of the cancer risk' considering that any nicotine product very much does have a cancer risk.
whycome•about 1 hour ago
> “I don’t think they should be sold in youth-appealing sweet, fruity or minty flavors, and they should be limited to what’s authorized for nicotine replacement therapy, no more than 4 mg of nicotine per pouch.”

I’m really tired of this idea that adults can’t enjoy sweet, fruity, or mint flavors.

asdff•about 1 hour ago
Has anyone making these claims ever been a proper teenage delinquent? Obviously not. It could taste like bilge water and people would still try to use it because monkey brain wants a buzz.
slopinthebag•about 1 hour ago
They do this in Canada, you can only legally get mint, mint, or mint flavours. So people import or buy on the black market, often counterfeit, which tends to burn and taste like crap with who-knows-what-chemicals they put in those.

Let adults do what they want please. Me consuming a 20mg citrus pouch doesn't hurt anybody.

slopinthebag•about 1 hour ago
It's like the safest way to consume nicotine and it's significantly less disruptful to others. I.e it should be heavily promoted as an alternative to smoking.

But of course the nanny state supporters want to ban everything they don't personally use and starts with the D-word...

xmcp123•about 1 hour ago
Really low quality article. Have barely seen any marketing around them, but more than that the separation from nicotine gum is horeshit.

Nicotine gum does have 3mg. But most common? 6mg. The pouches I’ve seen/used are 5mg, available in 3mg.

It’s the exact same thing - switching the way it’s ingested to one of less harm, with the ability to step down the total amount.

nixonaddiction•about 1 hour ago
yeah yeah nicotine bad. let me have this one vice. i used to pop 6mgs during exams and life was awesome. i <3 smokeless nicotine. have tried pouches, patches, lozenges, gum. the gum is my favorite. had a 12mg once that stuff burned my gums and i swore off higher mg pouches. i honestly dont get how people use them.
eth0up•23 minutes ago
At some point, maybe after a real crisis or sufficient sustained caloric deficit, people may finally notice that these predatory mommy‑monsters don’t actually care about anyone and that they’re up to something else. We have serious problems in the US and the list is growing daily. Yet few of these .edu virtue‑bots talk about the missing trillions at the Pentagon or the unprecedented numbers of homeless human beings squirming on the streets. They stayed quiet while the FDA let transfats and MSG fester in baby food for decades. They were fine with sludge on crop fields, fine with low‑fat/high‑sugar diets that helped wreck metabolic health. But..

But there’s an evil leaf out there, so bad, so unholy, that they’d better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.* The psycho-engineered magically numbered 20‑count overabundance and conveniently rolled delivery system of the cigarette pack; the cocktail of combustion byproducts and additives therein; the advertising psychology behind the whole apparatus -- insignificant!!! The real villain is the tobacco leaf itself, a plant that predates humanity,is pure evil, and contains a chemical so sinister that some people even benefit from it. Swedish Snus, where even the FDA has struggled to show clear carcinogenicity in normal use, gets no mention. Why? because heat and fermentation are the primary culprits in making tobacco carcinogenic. The “big bad”, though, is defined as the natural alkaloid nicotine, portrayed as worse than war, fentanyl, systemic corruption and death itself... because that story is an easy sell, marketed as “care.” They love you so much they’ll chain you to the floor of their gaslit paradigm to keep you “safe” from a singular, primary evil, while the rest of the system swiftly rots. All good MEN (with large sacks and biceps) know, if we can just conquer the one, greatest of evils (nicotine) we can have peace and well being on Earth forever.

Fuck you edu. You can have your addiction to epistemic dishonesty and keep publishing vomit. Let people have their fruit flavored nicotine pouches. Or, you might do real work and address the issue of market corruption and do an expose on how the monopoly against Snus was facilitated through your disinfo campaigns and is now almost impossible to find in the US, despite being found as generally safe by the FDA. But that would require integrity and courage.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Business/Selected_quote... or: ""Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson