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This inspired me to add a feature to my sqlite-utils Python library and CLI tool, so you can now use it to transform non-strict tables to strict (and vice-versa) like this:
Or in Python: Release notes for 4.1 here: https://sqlite-utils.datasette.io/en/stable/changelog.html#v...Here are the relevant docs:
- Using table.transform(strict=True): https://sqlite-utils.datasette.io/en/stable/python-api.html#...
- The sqlite-utils transform command: https://sqlite-utils.datasette.io/en/stable/cli.html#transfo...
That's the pattern recommended by SQLite here: https://www.sqlite.org/lang_altertable.html#otheralter
> rigid type enforcement can successfully prevent the customer name (text) from being inserted into the integer Customer.creditScore column. On the other hand, if that mistake occurs, it is very easy to spot the problem and find all affected rows.
That doesn't line up with my experience. (In particular, it may not be easy to fix those corrupted rows; the data may be entirely lost.)
> By suppressing easy-to-detect errors and passing through only the hard-to-detect errors, rigid type enforcement can actually make it more difficult to find and fix bugs.
This doesn't line up with my experience at all.
It looks like this is an artifact of when SQLite was written and the strong opinion of its author, less so a rigorous engineering principle. Reading this, it sounds like the author has been criticized a lot on this, is digging in their heels no matter what, and will find any supposed justification.
On the other hand, datatypes like JSON or HSTORE (in postgres) can handle what they are advocating for. But opt-in to YOLO typing is nearly always better than opt-out.
Flexible, yes. You can store anything. The downside is, that I've also found "anything". Stuff attached to the wrong "class", wrong datatypes, missing "obligatory" fields, etc, etc.
It's a PITA to work with. If I could design it from scratch, it'd be a single table with JSON payload.
Isn't plain JSON even worse? At least the design you're criticising has a dynamic schema definition separate from code.
You could of course have a JSON schema somewhere, but in my experience the whole point of representing the schema as data in the database is to support (limited) end-user driven schema changes.
I would use JSON to store data that complies with a schema that can be modified by third parties outside of my control.
My experience is the opposite: add as many checks and safety rails to <DB> (Postgres, in my case), and you don’t have to go looking for this sort of mistake, which shouldn’t happen in the first place.
In Postgres, if you insert a real number into an int column, the data gets rounded and stored as int. In SQLite, the data is inserted as real.
Neither approach is fail-fast.
> If you find a real-world case where STRICT tables prevented or would have prevented a bug in an application, please post a message to the SQLite Forum so that we can add your story to this document.
Kind of wild that they don't believe this happens.
Also they totally drew the wrong conclusions from their example in Appendix A. The data type was CHECK'd for a column and they are like "oh if only we hadn't enforced checks of this data type, we would have had to verify it when we opened the database!" instead of "thank goodness we have this CHECK'd this data type, it means we are forced to robustly verify it in one place, instead of using unreliable checks in the application code".
That's pretty much the only disagreement with the SQLite developer, who is an amazing guy that wrote an amazing tool!
1. https://sqlite.org/foreignkeys.html
2. https://sqlite.org/forum/forumpost/1b9d073a37ca5998
What the ...?
My only experience with versionitus type things is with microsoft sql and other "enterprisey" things that used it and its hard enough without huge upgrade blockers like text in an integer field lol still they're willing to add the default to the table create statement. I'm thinking that sqlite folks feel that things like type safety, database consistency are disliked authoritarian attributes, and I'm sure thats a consideration in letting old code touch databases that old code doesn't understand.
Its wierd that they didn't like having a pragma for any new table creation even at the database level but they allow this problem factory:
https://github.com/simonw/sqlite-utils/issues/344#issuecomme...I guess for ID reuse a rationalization could be that theres only so many integer values that can fit into a certain number of bytes haha
Strict type all the things.
Another thing I dislike is the lack of timestamp types. Instead, you're expected to just use a text column and store a textual timestamp. Even worse, instead of using ISO, the standard date time functions produce strings on the form "yyyy-mm-dd HH:MM:SS" which you're just supposed to assume are in UTC. Why not at least give us "yyyy-mm-ddTHH:MM:SSZ"? Or, you know, a proper space efficient timestamp data type.
A truly great project, with some truly baffling design decisions.
You can actually use an integer column and store Unix timestamps (or floats for subsecond accuracy).
But yes, sqlite has very little types support and its default behaviour is very much unityped / dynamically typed which I also dislike. Same with having to enable foreign keys every time you open a connection.
Then again, I have been subjected to Oracle nonsense for too long and have had to accept all of the boolean alternatives: 0,1,'0','1',Y,N,y,n,YES,NO,T,F, etc
I have done this many times. Function-based indexes are necessary if they must be searched.
(please note that I personally strongly prefer static types, but I still found this an interesting read).
Runtime validation is there to enable when using SQLite in other ways.
OTOH I don't see a similar superpower arising from handcrafted data type enforcement over (non-strict) SQLite.
Datagram is also quite often more fit for applications than streams, because many applications are message oriented. The Websocket protocol acknowledges that even though over TCP. But that's more a bonus point than a strong reason to choose UDP over TCP, one can always recreate packets/messages on top of TCP. It's a bit goofy though, because TCP uses IP packets.
A lot of online games with significant real-time constrains and many-to-many connections gladly use UDP - and similarly, video conference services also use it. Smaller protocols like DNS and NTP as well.
There are other arguments beside real-time streaming with acceptable data loss, see [1] and the "end-to-end argument" paper it links in particular.
Choosing UDP and ending up recreating some of its reliability and flow control features is not a "Uh, Oh..." moment. It's normally a deliberate choice. Sometimes you do need custom wheels [2].
[1] https://deepplum.com/post-b/
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecanum_wheel
https://sqlite.org/foreignkeys.html
Sometimes you can build a successful business out of doing so: https://aeron.io/
Or, at least, so says the lore.
I can understand not taking it seriously if it was completely unsupported but I'm pretty sure most databases don't have perfect default configs. Even PostgreSQL needs configuration for optimal performance because the defaults are for low (minimum) spec systems.
> then eventually adding nearly all the reliability facilities of TCP to the app (automatic retry, etc) by hand.
Depending on what you're doing you're still probably doing better than TCP after all that work. TCP is a stream based protocol which is not ideal for many applications due to head of line blocking. If you built your own reliability layer over UDP you likely avoid that issue entirely.
The SQLite documentation is very up front about these things [1] and more. It should only be an issue if you're the type of person who never reads any documentation.
[1] https://sqlite.org/quirks.html
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If you’re going to work with a database through something like the Rust sqlx crate, I think you’re better to eschew strict mode.
If you use strict tables with my Go SQLite driver, you'll get worse support for bool/date/time columns than otherwise.
It's still unfortunate though that typing a column DECIMAL triggers numeric affinity, which destroys decimal numbers stored as strings.
Strict should really be the default. If a database is shared by multiple applications then you should be able to rely on the declared data type. If one application stores a string into a numeric column that breaks everyone else.
On the other hand, the main use case for SQLite is embedded databases. And that means only one application is using the database. In that scenario being able to evolve the schema (as opposed to creating a new database and copying the data over) can be seen as an advantage. The application's code knows what to expect in each column--including mixed data types.
There are only 5 datatypes in sqlite. INTEGER, TEXT, BLOB, REAL, and NUMERIC.
https://sqlite.org/datatype3.html
Which is why I prefer not to use them.
Domain types would be the best fix, but I do not think legacy tables are the second best.
That’s not a type, you just get a numeric-affinity column.
You can use comments to preserve intent in strict mode, and that’s strictly more useful than fuzzy mode: it is richer, it is clearer, and it is no less reliable.
Both the advantages and disadvantages section is missing key arguments.
Key argument in favor of flexible typing: Easy to evolve schema. When you are using SQLite to store data in your embedded database and your requirements change, do you want to create a new database and migrate data each time? Evolving the schema in-place is much easier, and if your application is the only one reading/writing data into the database you will not be surprised by the fact the column that previously stored integers now contains strings as well.
Key argument against flexible typing: The schema is a contract, and when multiple applications read and write to a single database, and these applications are updated on their own schedules, storing the wrong type of data in a column will break the other applications. Strict adherence to the contract is necessary for applications to collaboratively read and write data. When a table is created by one application and used by another, the data types must be what you agreed to.
Additionally, how often are there multiple apps with different release schedules written using Sqlite? I would expect overwhelmingly large number of its use cases would be a single application working on it.
Which is why in most cases you are going to show at compile time that your code adheres to the typed structure. The SQLite schema you are developing alongside provides the type information for static analysis. There is no real benefit in also double checking again at runtime. Your code isn't going to magically mutate in a way that it starts inserting integers where your static analysis showed that it inserts strings.
SQLite is not like Postgres, which is designed for many different applications all sharing the same data, where you have to place trust in third-parties to also do the right thing. Runtime validation is critical in that environment. SQLite is designed for one application, one database. While it technically can support multiple applications sharing the same file, support is poor and it is not really designed for that. In the typical case, the only trust you need is your code, which you can evaluate at compile time. For the atypical cases you can enable strict tables.
That is common today, but remember that Postgres is now 40 years old. It is so old that it was originally based on QUEL rather than SQL. Back then database servers were designed to be what we now think of as the "API server". That necessitates runtime input validation same as your "API server" needs input validation today. If you were designing Postgres from scratch now you would do a lot of things differently, but it was built for its time.
> Guess if your code enforces types at DB insert time
It would be unusual for your programming language to magically turn strings into ints, or the like, so you can prove statically that your code won't insert the wrong thing. Duplicating the same thing at runtime doesn't buy you anything. Maybe if you are still trying to futz around with Javascript, but SQLite was designed for statically-typed programming languages.
What is least surprising? That INTEGER implicity accepts 'hello world' without error, or that you can't insert such a value unless you use a keyword like NONSTRICT or a type like ANY?
I would wager the vast majority of SQLite users if asked would probably not expect it to work.
Otherwise, yeah, it's very surprising to explicitly put INTEGER and still be able to insert text. It's not like the user left the type out.
> SQLite strives to be flexible regarding the datatype of the content that it stores.
[0]: https://sqlite.org/stricttables.html
TCL was used as a dev wrapper language at the time, and it functioned the same way.
It was only in mid-2004 that SQLite 3 was released which used its own storage backend, and that allowed for the 5 supported storage types (int64, string, bytes, float, null). It was API compatible (with minor adjustments) with the earlier SQLite 2, so the lack of static typing continued, otherwise everyone would have to rewrite their code. You do get dynamic typing, which hasn't been a problem for the vast majority of SQLite users.
Do remember that SQLite is competition for fopen, not Oracle / Postgres etc. It is trying to make things as effective as possible in that scenario. If you don't want numbers in your string column, then don't do that!
I used to sort of dismiss berkeleydb(why so simple?), but a disk backed b-tree indexed key value store is not trivial to get right and having a prebuilt library to do it provides a huge value.
As of January 2006 you could add CHECK constraints using the TYPEOF function to reject that at the SQL level. And it is your own code - there is no server - doing the insertions. As was common back then, protecting you from your own bugs was not a high priority for APIs!
They DO include a nice section at the bottom about why these limitations exist, but I wish they would make the process easier.
Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31249823
But it would be a lot better if it were built in.
It's a little frustrating that all this extra cruft is necessary to get the world's most popular RDBMS to take data correctness seriously. I hope that some SQLite fork that behaves more like other RDBMSes when it comes to this stuff catches on some day, but the fact that that hasn't happened yet makes me think that the demand isn't there, somehow, unfortunately.
https://sqlite.org/lang_createtable.html#ckconst
“NUL characters (ASCII code 0x00 and Unicode \u0000) may appear in the middle of strings in SQLite. This can lead to unexpected behavior.”
0: https://sqlite.org/quirks.html
https://sqlite.org/nulinstr.html
As the developer attains a much better understanding of the product, strictness becomes more and more beneficial, but the spectre of backwards compatibility haunts the interfaces and defaults.
First time I used it was in high school, when I was a newbie to C and didn't know how to link in libraries, and SQLite was the only thing that offered all the code as a single .c file https://sqlite.org/amalgamation.html