Lessons from the Vasa Shipwreck

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manarth•about 5 hours ago

The FT article is an extremely superficial description of the events, which does a disservice to the depth and span of archaeological research and discovery which has taken place since the Vasa's discovery.

If anyone's visiting Stockholm, the Vasa museum is well worth a visit.

For those further afield, the museum's website offers a wealth of details about its conception, history, discovery, and our contemporary understanding of the wreck.

Vasa Museum: https://www.vasamuseet.se/en/explore/vasa-history/inquest

stanpinte•about 5 hours ago

Agreed, not being a museum person at all I enjoyed a lot - also recommend fotografiska, insane collection!

tikotus•about 2 hours ago

Finnish technology students played an elaborate prank when the ship was being lifted. Just before the event, a group dived down to the ship and planted a statue of Paavo Nurmi, also known as "The Flying Finn", on the deck. When the ship was finally lifted, the legendary Finnish runner was one of the first things they discovered. This played well with the friendly rivalry between the neighbours, though the Swedes did not appreciate it as much.

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa-jäynä

fifilura•about 2 hours ago

Fantastic! This was never part of the Swedish storytelling. Wonder why?

This word translated poorly, so the translation was a bit hard to read :)

https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4yn%C3%A4

zabzonk•about 4 hours ago

Lessons from Vasa regarding C++ standardisation [pdf]: https://www.stroustrup.com/how-to-write-a-proposal.pdf

dosshell•about 2 hours ago

And Scott Myers talk:

"Why C++ Sails When the Vasa Sank"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ltCgzYcpFUI

bookofjoe•4 days ago

https://archive.ph/cac8I

sillysaurusx•about 2 hours ago

Are your comments no longer pinned at the top? I was surprised to see this so far down. It was what I needed.

dunsany•about 4 hours ago

It is an amazing museum. Highly encourage anyone passing through Stockholm to check it out.

SoftTalker•about 2 hours ago

The story of the Vasa is one of my favorites for lessons in building software or anything complicated. Though I'm not sure how much of the story is actually true, it's still a good fable if nothing else.

manarth•about 2 hours ago

    "I'm not sure how much of the story is actually true"

The history and archaeology of the Vasa has been extensively studied by experts in their relevant fields – archaeology, history, dendrochronology, marine biology…

Some stories – like the one published here by FT – are overly simplistic. For a good, accurate, scientific history of the Vasa, the Vasa Museum's site is extremely detailed (and also separates supposition and apocryphal tales from established science).

Website of the Vasa Museum in Stockholm: https://www.vasamuseet.se/

SoftTalker•about 2 hours ago

Yeah I didn't mean the truth is unknown, just that the popular version of the story (major design changes mandated late in the build by an executive who didn't understand the consequences of what they were asking for) might not be exactly true, depending on who is telling the story.

fifilura•about 3 hours ago

I find it ironic that the most prominent museum in Sweden is for a ship that only made it 3km before sinking.

While in Norway you can visit and walk aboard the "Fram". The most successful Arctic Exploration ship.

https://frammuseum.no/our-exhibitions/fram/

Hikikomori•about 3 hours ago

Vasa is a fair bit older, are there any other as well preserved from its time?

jccooper•about 2 hours ago

There's not much older than the Vasa that is essentially intact. The Vasa is in good enough shape to have been recovered as a ship, and not as a shipwreck or an archaeological dig, which is pretty remarkable. I think there's one Ottoman galley a bit older that's been continuously maintained, and that's about it.

fifilura•about 2 hours ago

The reason it well preserved is the brackish water in Baltic Sea where the shipworm doesn't thrive.

fifilura•about 2 hours ago

I would say it is about 4 times older and 1000 times less successful. A factor of 250 in favor of Fram.

mgaunard•about 2 hours ago

I feel like people use this "remember the Vasa" idea every 6 months.

Yes, we all remember the Vasa, and understand how it applies to any untested overengineered idea.

chiefgeek•about 5 hours ago

I visited the museum two summers ago and it is really impressive. Even though I had caught some kind of cold and felt terrible, I thoroughly enjoyed my visit. Highly recommend.

kayo_20211030•about 5 hours ago

I no longer have access, but this I remember being a good paper on the Vasa in the context of product design and project management https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=31396

bookofjoe•about 5 hours ago

I found this: https://www.scribd.com/doc/72476571/vasacasestudy

parpfish•about 2 hours ago

What percentage of folks in this thread saw the Vasa because of “Intro Days”?

lifestyleguru•about 2 hours ago

The lesson was not to invade Poland and Lithuania but they didn't draw the conclusion.

_doctor_love•about 1 hour ago

"I just want a deluge. Just one little deluge. Is that too much to ask?"