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Arodex27 minutes ago
>Corporate leaders are starting to question whether soaring AI spending is delivering meaningful returns.

We should start to question whether soaring CEO salary spending is delivering meaningful results.

CuriouslyC40 minutes ago
This is almost entirely on Anthropic and the stupid C suite people trying to push TokenMaxxing. GPT5.5 is much more token efficient, other models are much cheaper, and if used in moderation rather than than trying to get everyone to OpenClaw 24/7 with token leaderboards, it's much more economical.

Also ironically, a lot of GenZ and young Millenials who were already bitter at their employers have used the tokenmaxxing push to sabotage the AI rollouts by burning tokens on stupid shit. It seems to be working.

SupLockDef28 minutes ago
Are you saying that making a leaderboard of who is spending the most is going to be expensive?

They couldn't see that coming, but for sure they can predict how the future will be when it's time to sell their "visions" of the world.

Meanwhile, sheep's are going to believe and max their token usage with their own wallet. "You are so be left behind if you're not".

It's a mass psychosis. The only winners here are the hardware manufacturers, like nvidia for instance.

kombookcha22 minutes ago
The other day I had to read a C-suite guy share how he had an epiphany that spending more tokens did not linearly align with more useful features being output by the teams. He was describing it as this breakthrough moment for him, as if it wasn't glaringly obvious that making the KPI "spend more tokens" would result in inefficient token spending, not massive value for the customer.

It's baffling how these people have entirely shut their ears to all the obvious warnings about this, and are now congratulating themselves for their slightly less psychotic outlook and pivoting to blaming the workers for inefficient usage, after specifically forcing them to tokenmaxx.

Arodex13 minutes ago
>It's baffling how these people have entirely shut their ears to all the obvious warnings about this, and are now congratulating themselves for their slightly less psychotic outlook and pivoting to blaming the workers for inefficient usage, after specifically forcing them to tokenmaxx.

It's not baffling. They are a caste, wholly insulated from the consequences of their own actions.

Almost every company is run in a basic dictatorial way. We almost never discuss it, when there is a wide corpus of political Science analysing the pros and cons of governance models that certainly puts it at the bottom.

cluckindan16 minutes ago
You get what you measure.
qsort7 minutes ago
I'm with you that people are insanely hyped about Claude Code in particular when e.g. Codex isn't far behind (and with recent models I actually prefer it).

But I'm going to need a citation for this:

> a lot of GenZ and young Millenials who were already bitter at their employers have used the tokenmaxxing push to sabotage the AI

The 3 people on reddit doing this don't even register on a company budget. What seems more plausible to me is that budgets were calibrated to spending before agents were actually useful, and late '25/early '26 changed the pattern significantly.

throwatdem1231131 minutes ago
I’m an “old millenial” and the excessive burning of tokens will continue until working conditions improve.
voidfunc24 minutes ago
Working conditions are fine, I simply am not incentivized to be efficient with tokens.
throwatdem1231117 minutes ago
Yeah, everything is fine until you don’t want to use AI for something because it sucks at that task and then you end up on a PiP because your token burn is low. Why the f*ck are AI Token Use Leaderboards even a thing.

Features that used to take months are now expected in days. Oh you didn’t merge 40 pull requests and deploy to prod 15 times today? Aren’t you using Opus the greatest thing since the invention of the wheel?! What do you mean it’s hard to review 100 merge requests per day? Just have Claude review it! That’s a PiP.

Surely there wouldn’t be malicious compliance by people that would prefer to use the right tool for the job instead of having this crap shoved down our throats by management by threat of termination.

mayhemducks22 minutes ago
Excessive token burning as a tactic to annoy your employer probably does the opposite - it probably makes your employer money.

The more tokens you burn, the more demand for hardware there will be. More demand for hardware means higher stock prices -> more money in your employer's pocket.

The only question is how long that can last. If taken to an extreme, the output of the AI will get worse over time, and if it gets bad enough, for long enough, people will use it less and less, and demand will slowly evaporate.

customguy9 minutes ago
> The more tokens you burn, the more demand for hardware there will be. More demand for hardware means higher stock prices -> more money in your employer's pocket.

If you work for NVIDIA, sure, but otherwise, this makes no sense to me.

6stringmerc31 minutes ago
Counterpoint: based on a lot of anecdotes here, the most likely people to burn tokens aren’t GenZ but managers using ChatGPT to respond to questions or otherwise as an outsourcing of their job. There aren’t enough GenZ in the workforce to back your claim in my opinion.

Token efficiency where instead of the AI burning money at 1:3 instead of 1:5 isn’t quite a winning argument.

fullshark22 minutes ago
There's no way managers using LLMs to answer emails are burning tokens at a comparable rate someone trying to utilize inference in production systems is.
CuriouslyC14 minutes ago
There's the cost to do productive work, and the proportion of work which is actually productive.

GPT5.5 medium is ~20% the cost of Opus and 27% the cost of Sonnet on a task by task basis. That's a material difference.

kleiba231 minutes ago
Citation needed.
Arodex24 minutes ago
Just a week ago, Anthropic barely breaking even was hailed as AI companies being close to profitability much earlier than forecast.

In fact it is all smoke and mirrors, pure mania from C-level executives out of their depth trying to one-up each other with company money, and they aren't even close.

autoexec15 minutes ago
Just wait until companies are dependent on on it. When their employees can't think without it. When their AI generated codebase is such a mess they'd need a rewrite to understand it without AI. When they've got AI embedded in all their internal processes and tools. Then massive price hikes will come because they've been bent over a barrel and they'll have no alternative that isn't at least as painful in the short-term as letting the AI company fuck them. The long term won't matter then because any company capable of seeing past the short term wouldn't let themselves get into that position in the first place.
swader99922 minutes ago
"An AI consultant tells Axios one of their clients recently spent half a billion dollars in a single month after failing to put usage limits on Claude licenses for employees." Like physically, how could this even happen?
layer84 minutes ago
This could happen with a large number of integrations or agent swarms working 24/7 with high throughput and long contexts.
pjc5012 minutes ago
Agents. An agent is a system for spinning up processes that use tokens, talking to other processes that use tokens.

I wonder how many megawatts that waste represented. Just one guy, worse than a small air force of private jets.

Spide_r43 minutes ago
cmiles824 minutes ago
Playing out in company after company right now:

CEOs: “Get me some of that GenAI”

CTO: “OK, we have all the GenAI”

CEOs: “Employees, it’s AI or bust”

Employees: Tokenmax

CFO: “Um, this is costing a ton and we’re not seeing savings or efficiency materialize.”

CEO: “Are we getting any value out of this?”

COO: “Not really, and frankly I’m getting annoyed at all the AI slop turning up all over.”

CEO: “OK, well, let’s do a big layoff and then I’ll just say it was because of AI. Hopefully folks won’t blame me for the mess and I’ll just talk about how amazing AI is.”

cynicalsecurity44 minutes ago
> Instead, they should focus on using AI to drive revenue.

There is a complete disconnect between wages of employees and company's revenue => Why aren't employees working towards revenue? What a mystery. Children, let's help Elmo solve this mystery.

And then random mass layoffs to make numbers for shareholders look great in quarterly reports. Surely this motivates people work to their fullest potential and to care for company's revenue.

roxolotl27 minutes ago
Even better there’s a complete disconnect between revenues and metrics we use to measure productivity. Corporate wants to believe there’s numbers you can use to measure knowledge workers like widget makers where there’s really not much that’s effective beyond revenue.