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Hi HN, we're Sam and Alex, founders of Risklytics (https://risklytics.ai). We're both on leave from Harvard, and we run an insurance brokerage for companies building robots, drones, autonomous systems and satellites. You describe your machine, we find the insurance companies willing to cover it, and we read everything before you sign.

Buying insurance for any frontier tech goes like this:

- your first customer or pilot requires coverage before your machine can work on their site

- a broker hands you an application written for ordinary businesses, and often will deny you on baseless "risks" (one of our clients got denied for using CAD software in their workflow)

- you get filed under something close or outright denied, the person at the insurance company often can't tell what they're looking at, and the safe answer is no

- if a quote does come back, the AI risk is often quietly removed by an add-on clause that prevents you from truly being covered

Those clauses surprised us. Insurance companies mostly don't write their own policies from scratch. They license standard forms from an industry body called ISO and attach add-on clauses to adjust them, and in January ISO published clauses that void coverage for losses arising out of AI in any part of a process. Each insurer decides whether to adopt them, account by account, and there's no public record of who has and to what capacity.

There's an open question in the wording too. It defines generative AI as systems trained on data that produce text, images, audio, video or code. Whether a robot's control model, which produces motor commands, falls under that is unsettled. We've asked underwriters, the people at insurance companies who make these calls, and gotten different answers across the board.

We didn't initially plan to be brokers. We came into YC to work in insurance and spent the first half of the batch on a wildfire risk model we wanted to sell to insurance companies. They liked it and wanted to build their own, which is the polite way to say no. While that was dying, a batchmate who launches satellites mentioned he couldn't get insured, and once we started asking around we kept hearing the same story from hardware companies. So we got licensed in a week and now can place coverage.

What we've built so far:

- a six-step application that asks about what you're building and drafts the structured version insurance companies like, omitting anything you didn't say

- a map of which insurers add the AI clauses, which will remove them, and which cover frontier companies on purpose

- when an insurer says no, you see their reason and what would change it, full transparency all the time

- a hands off process for companies trying to get fully covered

Here's a demo of the whole process: https://youtu.be/gVqCamTNH5E

On money: the insurance company pays us a commission when you get covered, usually 10-20% of what you are charged, and we charge you nothing on top (that's right, no brokerage fees).

Also, if you're a software company with ordinary needs, we'll still handle the whole process for you and get you the best policy we can find.

In the past week alone we have helped three companies get covered that were denied elsewhere. The companies include a robotics wholesaler and rental store, who had trouble getting covered earlier because some of their property uses AI (even though they never use it themselves), a bridge collision system that was getting denied because they use CAD software, and a tele-operating robotics service that needed coverage within a week for their first pilot.

If you're looking for insurance in any capacity feel free to reach out to me at alex@risklytics.ai or fill out an application at https://risklytics.ai. And if you work on the carrier side and think you'd wanna partner with us let us know.

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petetheguyabout 4 hours ago
The first-customer-requires-coverage thing is the whole sale. Founders treat insurance like they treat security questionnaires: ignore it until a pilot is blocked, then they need a yes yesterday. I've sold through that motion a few times. The CAD-software denial is the same pattern as a form written for a bank. If you can get them covered without making them look like a different company, that's actually the product.
jvwww30 minutes ago
AI slop.
collinstmabout 4 hours ago
Have you already gone through licensing and credentialing through the Division of Insurances in various states? Or are you just gauging interest at this point before the licensing steps? Asking because there is a whole E&O element on liability for you as the middleman.
AlexRisioabout 3 hours ago
Thanks for asking! We are licensed in 15 states right now with the required E&O policies, and are expanding to more states in the coming weeks.
trollbridgeabout 3 hours ago
How is this different than Corgi?
AlexRisioabout 2 hours ago
We focus on hardtech mainly, robotics, manufacturing, physical products. Corgi has not broken into this space as much as we hope to as these clients are typically much harder to insure than pure software companies. Also insurance is big: over $1.7 trillion dollars of premium was written last year.
trollbridgeabout 1 hour ago
Thank you - great response; so in other words, you can insure people that Corgi (and lots of other insurers) would eventually say "I'm sorry, but we just can't figure out how to insure you".
SamGGold28 minutes ago
Pretty much, yea. We work to place those hard risks.
reticulatesabout 2 hours ago
Risklytics are taking the boring, sensible approach of being a broker, modernizing the application process to broaden the type of clients that can be underwritten.

Corgi are taking the batshit insane approach of insuring clients directly through an esoteric insurance structure that dodges regulation.

Choosing Corgi over a typical broker is playing with fire.

https://reticulating.substack.com/p/ycombinators-corgi-insur...

trollbridgeabout 1 hour ago
I'm finding Corgi so far to be really difficult to understand. The sales reps (agents?) you work with don't seem to understand common insurance industry terms, like me asking "is that actual cash value or replacement cost?" when e.g. stating a value for replacing our computers.

I also have open questions on what paying out a claim is actually like, or what it will be like if they have to mount a defence if I were to actually get sued. Since no Corgi customers have been sued yet (as far as I can tell), the answer is "We have no idea".

I'm not trying to be anti-Corgi, but I'm having a hard time understanding how exactly their business model is going to work long term.

reticulates12 minutes ago
Yep, being insured by Corgi is a huge risk. The reason why Corgi is especially terrible is that the inexperienced “growth” “interns” aren’t just selling low quality insurance they don’t understand that isn’t fit for purpose, that’s bad but whatever, the problem is that every new client adds more risk to pre-existing clients! Every Corgi client is, unknowingly, taking on more and more risk every day. The insurance is, basically, decaying, and entirely reliant on Corgi being able to raise money to bail it out when things implode.

The business model of spending hundreds of millions on marketing insurance with cafes is silly but maybe it’ll work, gotta swing for the fences, but selling insurance that could implode at a moment’s notice is grossly irresponsible. And when it implodes, it’s going to hurt thousands of YC startups.

Risklytics will be much more expensive than Corgi but it’ll be actual reliable insurance. Anyone going with Corgi is out of their damn mind.

misterchocolatabout 4 hours ago
Actually a great idea, wishing you guys success.
AlexRisioabout 3 hours ago
Thanks so much!
oliver236about 1 hour ago
why cant i choose axa ?
AlexRisio14 minutes ago
Axa is a large insurer and might have the appetite for this type of risk. We use different carriers with this risk to get our clients covered.