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pseudonymidyabout 5 hours ago
Is there value in identifying the difference between reading a longer article like this one and an actual book? Reading the news from the AP/Reuters and a book on history?

I spend lots of time online, primarily on my phone, reading. I don’t watch videos and I don’t use social media aside from browsing the Reddit front page. I try to justify my online escapes because I’m reading a substack, a bit of news, an interesting HN link about someone’s project.

I know I’m fooling myself. Closing the door on the internet and opening a page on an ereader or a physical book is absolutely a different activity. While the content of the book is important (and hopefully well written and captivating!) I regard it now with the added benefit of exercising my attention span.

An interesting book I read called Peak Mind makes the simple point that your life consists of what you pay attention to. Since then I’ve been trying (and failing, and trying) to be more conscious of where I spend my attention and how I can strengthen it against the well researched and incredibly effective distraction engines in my daily life.

JumpCrisscrossabout 4 hours ago
> Is there value in identifying the difference between reading a longer article like this one and an actual book?

Almost every study that looks at this finds that there is. Between the time for deeper contemplation, cognitive load of sustained attention and greater potential information content of a larger body of text compared with a smaller one, someone who reads books is generally going to more competently understand things gestures generally than someone who gets everything from articles online.

pseudonymidyabout 4 hours ago
I’m not familiar with the research but I will say that conclusion “feels” right to me.

Have they found a modern day metric that we should all be hunting in our quest for reading health? A literary equivalent to the daily 10,000 steps?

Maybe 10,000 words!

bob_theslob646about 4 hours ago
This is a great question. I would love to know the answer to this as well. +1
sixtyjabout 5 hours ago
Paul Graham recently: The people who still read won't just be better informed. They'll be (with a couple exceptions) the only ones who can think well. You can't think well without writing well, and you can't write well without reading well.

https://x.com/paulg/status/2075980847228801132

loughnaneabout 3 hours ago
> I hit my reading peak when I was eleven or twelve.

This has long been the way. Mortimer Adler pointed out in the 70s (at the latest) that reading instruction (ie how to extract meaning from marks on a page) doesn’t really advance after 6th grade. After that we still give kids harder things to read, but scarcely provide them with strategies.

His How to read a book was an attempt at filling in the gap. It’s one of my favorite books.

colechristensenabout 3 hours ago
My favorite part of How to Read a Book is how it classifies books into books worth skimming over, books worth reading each word exactly once, and books worith studying and actively engaging with in depth.

How to Read a Book is definitely worth skimming, but it is quite repetitive and filled with unnecessary volume. It would get the job done at 1/10th the length.

loughnaneabout 2 hours ago
I’ve read it a few times both on my own and with my kids. I could maybe buy 50-60% of the length would be ideal, but not 10%.

Ironically, one of the points made in the book—and close to your point—is that even in the greatest book of all time there are passages that are more and less worthwhile. The art of being a good reader is identifying the worthwhile and going over it slowly (maybe even rereading it) and identifying the less worthy and going over it quick.

The nice thing about spending more time with HTRAB is it forces you to think about reading. That’s a worthwhile way to spend a few hours.

NopIdoN41 minutes ago
Using reading time for a book about reading feels like making another revision timetable.
Ostatnigrosh44 minutes ago
I deeply resonate with this. Even when I began reading, I felt myself wanting to jump away into my email or some other needless task. After getting through the premise, it felt almost like a challenge to read the entire blog. Very well done.
buzzwordsabout 3 hours ago
Interesting, I struggle to read. I always have. But I genuinely enjoyed it. Few years back I told a colleague that by the time I reach the end of paragraph I forget how it started. He told me sounds like a learning difficulty. So I did a test, thinking I was dyslexic. It turns out I have ADHD with particularly bad short term memory. Anyways my question for everyone here, how do you read with ADHD? How do you over come reading the same passage multiple time?
throw4847285about 1 hour ago
I just speed ahead, and I always retained more than I thought I did. If I keep going, eventually I can reach a kind of flow. It doesn't matter if I missed bits here or there.

Or, you could try the opposite, and slow down. It sounds like torture, but eventually, it will become habitual.

colechristensenabout 3 hours ago
Audiobooks sped up to ~2x or so, but you usually have to build up to that speed.

There are also exercises which help develop short term memory like n-back training for which there are many phone apps.

buzzwordsabout 3 hours ago
Oh you don't zone out?
confidantlakeabout 2 hours ago
Try going for a walk when listening to an audiobook. When I do that I rarely zone out. When I don't I nearly always zone out.
colechristensenabout 2 hours ago
The speed helps with that.

Also doing something mindless helps. The dishes, the laundry, moderate exercise.

I can't pay attention to most audiobooks at 1x, I get bored between words.

HumanEaterabout 5 hours ago
Screen addiction is a thing for me, I'm addicted to my phone computer and tv and i don't know how to manage it.

I know its just an escape mean for me, a tool to not be there but it stop me from doing other more interesting stuff

Jtariiabout 4 hours ago
The easiest way to counter it is just leave your phone at home and take a book and go to a public bench and read. You will quickly condition your brain to no longer need to constantly be looking at a screen to be happy.

Your environment is your destiny, if your environment is littered with distractions you will be distracted.

galleywest200about 4 hours ago
Even when at home I try to keep my phone in my nightstand drawer. Sure I can go grab it, but that bookshelf is a lot closer to my lounge areas.
JumpCrisscrossabout 4 hours ago
Recapitulating an old comment. Start by quitting all algorithmic, ad-driven social media.

Going cold turkey is never easy. If you're having trouble withdrawing, consider what I did over for Facebook over a decade ago:

1. Turn off notifications for the Facebook (read: your main social media) app on your phone; then

2. Turn off notifications for the Facebook Messenger, Instagram, et cetera apps (read: all other social media) on your phone; next

3. Delete the Facebook app from your phone; then

4. Delete the Facebook Messenger, Instagram, et cetera apps from your phone; and finally

5. Log out of Facebook on your desktop.

It took me 2 years to go through from step 1 to step 5. It has made me happier and more productive. I still have a Facebook account.

But the friction of grabbing my laptop and logging in forces me to consider "is this what I want to do? Or am I thoughtlessly reaching for the crack pipe?" (It's been about a decade since I've cared to log into Facebook. Last time I tried, it felt like trudging through spam in an old e-mail inbox more than anything compelling.)

wffurrabout 5 hours ago
Set small achievable goals and hold yourself accountable.
alana314about 2 hours ago
I found Amazon's Whispersync (audiobook + ebook synced) helpful for keeping me engaged in books in the smartphone era. This is a plug, but I made my own epub + text to speech reader for iOS for keeping myself engaged in reading, and have been reading/listening to classics such as Crime and Punishment this way: https://heard.quest/
nylonstrungabout 5 hours ago
It does feel like reading books is one of the best activities for reconditioning your brain in the wake of screen/dopamine addiction
justincarterabout 4 hours ago
Is reading morally superior? It seems like greater society (with the apps) is rapidly changing back to an oral culture which seems to be humanity’s default setting.

Edit - via the visual boost of short form video

JumpCrisscrossabout 4 hours ago
> Is reading morally superior?

No. Of course not. Someone who can't read due to mental disability isn't morally inferior to someone who can and does.

BoingBoomTschakabout 4 hours ago
He obviously meant "is choosing to spend your time reading morally superior", though.
augustocallejasabout 4 hours ago
teddyhabout 5 hours ago

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MariusGjerdabout 4 hours ago
at work we started making a libary with books we want to read to keep us sane and adopting good and old practices in the world of ai. its very easy to get blind nowdays but reading have helped me alot
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