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kristianp•about 5 hours ago
> Numbers like that buy a model a real migration effort.

Such a silly choice of words. I wish the human directing the LLM writing the article put some effort into rewriting the worst examples of LLM style.

> But it did extremely well, and the promise was immediate and specific: builds finishing in less than half the wall-clock time, at 27% lower cost, scoring at or above our incumbent on completed work.

The way the LLMs write (Claude perhaps?) With short phrases separated by colons, commas or full stops, is so poor and frustrating.

There some good insights behind this article, so it's worth reading, for example below, but it isn't easy to read.

> Earlier GPT models cached implicitly on partial prefix matches, which gave decent hit rates for free. GPT-5.6 dropped partial-prefix matching:

thiagoperes•about 3 hours ago
We run a lot of varied, tiny, simple workflows that were previously running on 5.4-nano and mini. We transitioned them to 5.6 and noticed exactly this range of improvement across the board. In a few cases, we had improvements in classification.

I think a lot of people miss that for many companies, a model upgrade like this is basically a one liner.

Even if you have an amazing model router architecture (which we do for our golden flows), it’s just not worth it. Not to mention reliability and so on

blfr•about 6 hours ago
> Ploy’s agent builds and edits real marketing websites. It plans a page, reads the codebase, writes components, generates imagery, screenshots its own work, and decides when it’s done. That job description sets a very high bar for a model, and we test every frontier release against it. For the four months Opus held the default slot (first Opus 4.7, then 4.8), nothing we tested beat it.

Well, unlike OP I haven't run a rigorous test, but I still would expect Fable to be significantly better at building marketing websites than Opus. It sure is way better at building decks.

greenavocado•about 5 hours ago
4.7 is very autistic in terms of following directions so I find OPs claims plausible
arikrahman•about 5 hours ago
Very descriptive there heh
redfather918•28 minutes ago
The cost reduction is impressive, but I think consistency matters even more for production agents. I'd be interested to know whether prompt engineering or tool-calling workflows had to change significantly.
arikrahman•about 5 hours ago
Migrating my workflow to Reasonix with cache hits on Deepseek make requests practically free, and that's on unsubsidized American providers.
bob1029•about 3 hours ago
> we’ve made GPT 5.6 Sol the default model powering every Ploy workspace

I would consider Luna for parts of the workload that touch actual tools. It is surprisingly capable and it runs fast.

Sol is great at talking to the human and orchestration of agent calls, but it's just too expensive to use everywhere.

You can get 5 Luna runs for the cost of 1 Sol run. Statistically speaking, going from one to five samples is a pretty big deal.

Tadpole9181•about 2 hours ago
The problem I always run into with subagents is that they are isolated. This is a double-edged sword, as it keeps context down and lets them "focus", but it often means they must do their own research to continue to do work given to them, which eats uncached tokens.

So depending on how heavily agents are used on what tasks, it's entirely possible that you get worse work for more cost.

bob1029•about 2 hours ago
> they are isolated

This is a feature if your goal is to obtain many samples. Independence is critical. This makes it easier to accurately model the uncertainty of a decision.

taspeotis•about 2 hours ago
I feel Claude Code has added (and removed?) a feature that forks a subagent from the parent context, so it’s still isolated but it’s more of a continuation of what you were doing in one narrow direction and then it dies. Rather than a blank slate with a prompt of what to do.
hankbond•about 6 hours ago
Thank you for a dense informative article with practical takeaways. This was an easy read and it reinforced the importance of some concepts in LLM based pipeline design.
estebarb•about 5 hours ago
But what users prefer? Given this is for marketing, which results produce more conversions? From the examples shown, personally I strongly preferred Claude Opus in all cases.