Back to News
Advertisement
Advertisement

⚡ Community Insights

Discussion Sentiment

64% Positive

Analyzed from 1064 words in the discussion.

Trending Topics

#problems#solvers#solver#etc#solution#problem#run#gurobi#free#scheduling

Discussion (38 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

TrueDuality•about 15 hours ago
Really not trying to be cheeky... but why? Who is the audience here? I can see maybe academics with small grants and want to do the absolute minimum spend on compute... But that is an audience you will have to fight for every cent.

This doesn't solve or provide guidance for the subtle problems in these otherwise opensource solvers... The first example requires the client to manually disambiguate equivalent variables to get a stable solution... Sure that's a pretty common problem everyone working with optimizers should be familiar with but they're also one of the hardest things to track down in a complex derived model.

DannyBee•about 12 hours ago
NEOS will let you run this stuff on cplex/gurobi/etc (IE much faster than the backends behind quicopt), for free, is integrated with pyomo/etc, and has like an 8 hour time limit.

Often, the difference on "harder" problems is 10x or more.

I have problems that gurobi solves in 30 seconds that take 15 minutes or more for ~every non-commercial solver (or-tools, HIGHS, ipopt, etc).

But right now, this wouldn't even be interesting to me to use even if they actually were fronting commercial solvers, because they can't actually run it any faster and having this ".solve" API does nothing - pyomo already does that for me in practice.

genxy•about 7 hours ago
I worked at a place that basically never bought software, and they used gurobi for scheduling. It is apparently best in class for lots of problems.
MILP•about 3 hours ago
Just curious, what kind of problems are you solving?
raverbashing•about 6 hours ago
Gurobi probably has good heuristics and gives you a good enough answer instead of gnawing at a bone like every other MIP solver
akoboldfrying•about 8 hours ago
> But right now, this wouldn't even be interesting to me to use even if they actually were fronting commercial solvers, because they can't actually run it any faster

So you use NEOS, but another service offering the same thing as NEOS would not be useful?

ge0ffrey•about 8 hours ago
Sounds similar to Timefold Platform: app.timefold.ai

That's our Solver as a Service for scheduling problems (vehicle routing problem, shift scheduling, job scheduling, etc). It runs scheduling problems implemented with our open source solver: solver.timefold.ai

But this post is such a service for formula problems instead (think master capacity planning, portfolio optimization, etc), due to the choice of MILP solvers underneath. Similar to NextMv, Neos, etc.

jwally•about 5 hours ago
For whatever its worth I built this about a decade ago because I am a non academic who can't think in tableaus, but still wanted to solve optimization problems.

I created a json like schema/struct/whatever to describe the problem. Maybe adopt something like this and more people will be able to see how they could use your tool:

https://github.com/JWally/jsLPSolver/blob/master/API.md

I need to re go through the docs, but you get the gist.

Here is the Berlin Airlift problem for example:

const model = { optimize: "capacity", opType: "max", constraints: { plane: { max: 44 }, person: { max: 512 }, cost: { max: 300000 }, }, variables: { brit: { capacity: 20000, plane: 1, person: 8, cost: 5000 }, yank: { capacity: 30000, plane: 1, person: 16, cost: 9000 }, }, };

shoo•about 15 hours ago
I'm not a potential customer for this, but i have worked on a few commercial projects involving combinatorial optimisation.

Misc thoughts:

- I'm not familiar with the LABS problem, but the LABS benchmark page is interesting & compares against Gurobi. I'd be curious to see how an existing commercial non-mip approximate solver such as Hexaly (formerly LocalSolver) compares here.

- the other two benchmarks aren't very convincing as they don't compare against other methods or show running times

- the front page mentions peer reviewed methodology - consider linking to the publications

- good idea to have case studies of applications. I was a bit confused to see this listed under 'References' but on comparison the Gurobi & Hexaly marketing websites also do this (references -> case studies & references -> customer stories, respectively)

- re the client API, you may want to make the server URL have a default, so your trial users / customers don't have to specify it. It may be easier for you to roll out changes to your server URL in future if you can do it by changing the default server URL in a new version of your client library rather than requiring your customers to update their source code.

All the best!

LPisGood•about 13 hours ago
Does anyone use Hexaly for any serious work? If so, why? There seem to be many better alternatives out there.
deanalyzer•about 9 hours ago
This could be interesting, but it badly needs systematic benchmarking results. It is not difficult to get Claude Code or Codex to install and run a solver locally, so the tool’s current value proposition is fairly muddled.

If there were evidence that it offered better performance, I might consider running larger workloads on it.

whatever1•about 10 hours ago
We do have standard benchmarks in the field. Hans Mittelman maintains a library. No idea why they did not bother to run them.

https://plato.asu.edu/guide.html

Their website has just 3 cherry picked instances and claim complete dominance.

ge0ffrey•about 6 hours ago
We run the Mittelman VRPLib benchmarks at Timefold (and beat other open source solvers like or-tools in 95%+ of the X datasets).

But they are not representive of the real world, at all.

The Mittelman VRPLib benchmarks have only 1-2 constraints. Skills? No need. Working hours? Unlimited. Maps integretion? Cars can fly and the earth is a flat Euclidean space.

Any VRP algorithm optimized for the vrplib datasets is overfitted and not the best one in reality.

Take HGS for instance. Brilliant for CVRPTW. Crumbles to dust in field service routing for telco operations etc.

quantum_state•about 14 hours ago
This may be useful for small demos. For large scale MIP with millions of variables, one needs to have the solver at hand to support custom algos with techniques such as column generation, etc. to achieve time to solution and economics of compute resources. A remote API will not fit.
amelius•about 6 hours ago
What are the open source equivalents, and how far are they behind/ahead?
amelius•about 6 hours ago
Do you still pay if the solver cannot find a solution?
paddi91•4 days ago
Keep it simple, just one call to solve every model.
uoaei•about 15 hours ago
*sigh* We really need to teach this new crop the term "no free lunch". Again.
cchianel•about 15 hours ago
I personally disagree with "no free lunch"; (for the uninitiated, "no free lunch" refer to the fact for any deterministic algorithm, there exist a problem that will force the algorithm to go through the entire solution space to find the optimal solution, with every single other possible algorithm beating it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_theorem)). For many planning problems, finding a good enough solution is sufficient, and there are many optimization algorithms that work for a wide variety of problems and provide a good enough solution in reasonable time. Different algorithms are better for different problems (ex: Metaheuristic (ex: Late Acceptance) Solvers beats MIP Solvers on vehicle routing, whereas MIP Solvers beat Metaheuristic Solvers on Employee Scheduling and Bin Packing. But both Metaheuristic and MIP Solvers provider good enough solutions for both vehicle routing and bin packing.
uoaei•about 14 hours ago
No free lunch theorem has nothing to say about approximate solutions, so I'm really not sure what you're going on about.

OR-tools is almost exclusively linear programming which according to its strict assumptions converges more or less trivially, assuming a correctly composed program.

Which means if you're paying for it "as a service" you all but deserve to lose that money.

> Different algorithms are better for different problems

So... why does your rhetorical style have such oppositional tone if you're just going to reaffirm the no free lunch theorem?

Advertisement
greatony•about 15 hours ago
looks interesting, how large problem can it solve?
cchianel•about 15 hours ago
It seems to just be a wrapper over or-tools and other solvers from their landing page, with the difference being it run on their servers versus your hardware. Their website does not mention what hardware is allocated per model (which determine speed of solving) nor any limit on model size.
mulmboy•about 7 hours ago
Very difficult to take seriously when the entire site appears to be AI-written.