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burlesona1 minute ago
Property tax is the workable wealth tax. There's no such thing as a perfect policy, but in the context of NYC this seems worth trying. I'll be interested to see if it helps create some liquidity in the housing market (the goal), or if it only functions as revenue source.

One wrinkle I haven't heard much discussion of -- cities respond to incentives too. NYC is a global destination for the mega wealthy. If it turns out the uber-rich don't mind paying and this becomes a cash cow for the city, that creates incentives for the city to cater to them and try and get more uber-rich people to have second homes in the city.

cjs_ac7 minutes ago
> New York City’s new tax on second homes will more than double property taxes owed by many wealthy luxury apartment owners, according to tax experts.

> State lawmakers on Wednesday passed the tax on nonprimary residences in order to help close the city’s budget gap. The so-called pied-a-terre tax will be imposed on second homes valued at $1 million or more. It’s expected to raise $500 million in revenue.

> Details on the tax obtained by CNBC show that the property tax would take effect in two different phases. In the first two years – the tax years 2026-2027 and 2027-2028 – condos and co-ops valued at more than $1 million by the city’s Department of Finance will be subject to the tax. Properties worth between $1 million and $3 million will face a 4% annual tax; properties valued at $3 million to $5 million will face a 5.25% tax; and those above $5 million will face a 6.5% tax.

The rates sound a bit steep (although I'm not familiar with the baseline tax rates on properties of that value) but the principle is sound. In the UK, the equivalent tax on housing is council tax, and local councils in Great Britain (but not Northern Ireland) are empowered to double the rates of council tax on second homes.

altruios4 minutes ago
Second homes (and beyond) should be taxed out of existence while people are still trying to find their first. This tax is not steep enough, but it's a start.
everdrive2 minutes ago
I'm really curious about this. Wont, as a rule, any super-rich 2nd, 3rd, and 4th homes in New York be completely unaffordable for almost everyone? It feels a bit like you're potentially spreading around the super-luxury homes across a wider breadth of the super-rich, but not much else.

Is there a better way to think about this?

nemomarx11 minutes ago
On unoccupied or secondary residences specifically, not on wealth overall. This is more of a housing policy?
toomuchtodo8 minutes ago
Real estate cannot move. If you are wealthy enough to own a second home worth at least $1M or more, you are likely very wealthy (top 2% of US households by net worth threshold is ~$5.5 million). It is a wealth tax implemented on a real estate asset component of a high net worth human's total portfolio.
nemomarx7 minutes ago
It affects wealth, but the owner can also sell the property to someone who'll live in it and then they won't be taxed despite owning expensive property. So it's more targeted than a general wealth tax would be and I think the intent is to free up housing supply a bit.
toomuchtodo4 minutes ago
I think it is unlikely anyone with a second home at these price levels is going to sell to avoid this (immaterial to them) tax. But certainly, if they do sell to someone who will occupy as primary residence, that's also a win, regardless of the coin flip (heads, wealth tax, tails, more housing for those who actively live in the city).
paulddraper4 minutes ago
You do not have to be ultra wealthy to own a second home worth $1M.

Take out a mortgage on most of the value, and rent it to pay for the mortgage (and hopefully a bit more).

Lots of people who have built up a modest retirement account can afford that. And do.

Maybe this is a good idea. By saying it’s “ultra-rich” tax is reaching.

toomuchtodo1 minute ago
You have described an investment property, not an unoccupied second home, if you rent it out (whether mortgaged or free and clear).
DocTomoe7 minutes ago
Can't wait to see the middle-class families now moving into Billionaire's Row.
Neywiny12 minutes ago
Probably the least complicated tax law. Increase taxes to increase revenue. Makes sense. Align valuations with reality while maintaining relatively constant absolute tax dollar amounts. Also makes sense. It's really not that hard.
jmclnx11 minutes ago
$ have to come from somewhere, with the Fed cutting taxes for the rich and benefits for the poor every other term, time for the states to take over.
nxm2 minutes ago
Issue is not revenue, it's spending. Florida has 2x the population, yet half the spending on NY.
onlyrealcuzzo10 minutes ago
I think this is in the right direction, but the cut off at $1M is interesting.

Why's there an obsession with the $1m cutoff?

The dollar has been turned to dust. $1M is not that much money, especially in housing, especially in NYC.

Why tax $1m second homes and not second homes generally? Effectively, you're going to tax almost all second homes.

So why the arbitrary cutoff?

Chicago wanted to add a "millionaire's tax" on $1m+ home sales. At least in Chicago, that isn't effectively taxing the vast majority of housing (and total value) - so there's some distinction worth having.

happytoexplain8 minutes ago
Below 1M in NYC it becomes unclear why you have a second home. Maybe you're not quite "wealthy" and it's really helping your family out in some way. No reason to complicate things, the cutoff actually simplifies it while sacrificing almost nothing in terms of what the tax is trying to accomplish.
DocTomoe2 minutes ago
1 million remains the hallmark of 'wealthy' (as in: not us), to the point where pop culture has started mocking the concept decades ago (See: That Austin Powers movie...)

Hardly everyone understands 'owning a house' as millionaire-level wealth. Which is why people cheer the policy on until they realize it is them who is being shaken down.

davidguetta10 minutes ago
It's symbolic for it's demographic voters
dominotw7 minutes ago
what does it symbolize?
nemomarx5 minutes ago
"going after the rich", yeah? millionaire is still generally understood as an economic class by voters.
toomuchtodo28 minutes ago
“It always seems impossible until it's done."